GMMR TV Awards: The Winners Revealed!
July 8, 2013 by Marisa Roffman
We have our winners!
After weeks of nominations and voting, you guys have determined who should take home the third annual Give Me My Remote TV Awards.
Before we get to the winners, once again, I want thank all of the fans who participated in this. Whether you left your nominations in the original post or voted in any of the categories, none of this would have been possible without your input. I loved seeing your nominations — whether I agreed with them or not — and your passion for your favorite shows is always inspiring.
Which also means this is a good time to remind you that these winners are 100% decided by you, and some fanbases came out in droves. So if you’re delighted by the winners, yay! I’m so happy for you. If you’re disappointed, a) very sorry, and b) hopefully you’re satisfied with at least one category.
So with that being said, take a look at your winners of the third annual GMMR TV Awards…
Or if you were curious about a specific category winner…
- GMMR TV Awards: Favorite Actor (Drama)
- GMMR TV Awards: Favorite Actress (Drama)
- GMMR TV Awards: Favorite Actor (Comedy)
- GMMR TV Awards: Favorite Actress (Comedy)
- GMMR TV Awards: Favorite Comedy Series
- GMMR TV Awards: Favorite Drama Series
- GMMR TV Awards: Most Improved Series
- GMMR TV Awards: Most Disappointing Season
- GMMR TV Awards: Moment That Made Us Repeatedly Rewind Our DVR
- GMMR TV Awards: Best Season Finale Cliffhanger
- GMMR TV Awards: Worst Season Finale Cliffhanger
- GMMR TV Awards: Best Series Finale (Planned)
- GMMR TV Awards: Best Series Finale (Unplanned)
- GMMR TV Awards: Worst Series Finale (Planned)
- GMMR TV Awards: Favorite Line
- GMMR TV Awards: Favorite Couple (Together)
- GMMR TV Awards: Favorite Couple (Not Together)
- GMMR TV Awards: Favorite ‘Out of the Box’ Episode
- GMMR TV Awards: Biggest Tearjerker
- GMMR TV Awards: Best Musical Number
- GMMR TV Awards: Worst Musical Number
- GMMR TV Awards: Favorite Serial Killer
- GMMR TV Awards: Character Most in Need of a Storyline
- GMMR TV Awards: Character Most in Need of Therapy
- GMMR TV Awards: We’re Preemptively Sorry You Got Robbed of an Emmy Nod (Male)
- GMMR TV Awards: We’re Preemptively Sorry You Got Robbed of an Emmy Nod (Female)
- GMMR TV Awards: Most Anticipated New Show
- GMMR TV Awards: Show We Were Most Sorry to See Go
- GMMR TV Awards: Most Disappointing Off-Screen Exit
Are you happy with the winners? Wish someone/something else had taken a certain category?
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Character most in need if a storyline is Castiel? Seriously? Castiel always has mytharc and storylines. Every season. Dean is the only one on the show without a storyline. Nothing against Cas, but like I said, he HAS storylines, Dean doesn’t.
Yep I’m really angry right now. Dean should’ve gotten it.
As much as I love Cas, I’m sorry but he has storylines every single year – they’re just not on screen as much, but he is ALWAYS central to the big mytharc – he literally drives them. Does no one remember Cas and Crowley, the Purgatory souls and the big betrayl of season 6 and then this season Cas manipulated by Naomi and then Metatron. In comparison, what on earth did Dean have beyond worrying about Sam?
Castiel? REALLY?????? I don’t know to laugh or punch a wall! DEAN NEEDS A STORYLINE FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!! Castiel isn’t even a main character & he has enough stroylines already, if not too many!
Yes, I have to agree with almost all the “awards” and I especially liked how the balloting was limited to 1 vote per person instead of the spamming on other sites. Good job GMMR.
Storyline for Dean would be what I’d personally like to see next as well, but most people tend to ignore he has been going through MAJOR character development in S8, where most of the complaints have been raised. He can’t both have a story arc and have that at the same time, as it’d get much too crowded. I’m confident there is a part for him to play in the upcoming season now that Sam has played his (?), and Castiel, as usual, will play a secondary plot-driven role in continuation to what he started in S8 – not to mention how far he’s come himself. There hardly is need to keep him stalled now that he’s been given all these new aspects to work with and from. I believe he is the one who WILL get a storyline, which is why he doesn’t “need” one. It’s guaranteed. The writers have most definitely not forgotten him.
I’m so happy to see Dean and Cas and the wonderful moment in “Goodbye Stranger” win so many categories. It was a powerful moving moment. Thank you for controlling the poll by limiting to one vote per IP address and thank you for all the fun I had in voting.
Castiel had a storyline all the way through S8. I know because Dean was the one reacting to it and to Sam’s while having nothing.
Castiel is a regular S9 and his storyline is already set up with becoming human and dealing with Metatron.
As a main character Dean had nothing to do in the last half of the season and nothing set up for the new one unlike Sam and Cas.
Really disappointed with that result I was hoping to use it to show the showrunners where their attention is sorely needed for one of their MAIN characters 🙁
Dean may just aswell be reduced to a recurring character by the time they get to season 10. Infact I would welcome it at this point, so Jensen can focus on other things, and maybe get a gig on a show where both the writers and the fandom appreciate him and not take him for granted.
At least he won the Emmy catagory – damn right. He is wasted on Supernatural, and needs to work on a better show and then he may get that Emmy after all.
Chakatai – it’s NOT guaranteed. He hasn’t been involved in the mytharc since S5 wrote him out of the Michael arc that’s why we’ve been trying all we can to make them aware we want him to be involved but now they’ll take the message we’re a small minority not worth bothering about because Cas has had storylines ABOUT his character since being introduced while Dean has been all about Sam and now all about Cas. Dean fans really needed this result WAY more and I’m gutted.
As much as I love Cas, Dean needs to do more in s9 than being Sam’s butler, total waste of Dean’s potential in s8.
BONES! Yes!
Well, they got the Emmy one right for sure. But Dean is starving for a storyline. Cas in fact has had way too many of them and I really have had enough of both his and Sam’s stories, over and over and over and ugh. GIVE ME DEAN.
YES! Go Dean/Cas!!! 😀
I wish there were Emmy categories for dramedies and procedurals, because a lot of talent gets missed. Anyway, “we’re preemptively sorry you got robbed of an Emmy nod” winner – Stana Katic. Thank You! Stana Katic is SO underrated as an actress! I don’t know if it’s because she’s so beautiful that people don’t pay attention to what she’s actually doing, but she really is amazing. She and Beckett are so different, they even LAUGH differently. Congrats Castle for best couple and most improved – and yes, those two wins are related. 😀 Also, congrats to all the winners!
I agree with the majority of results and think the Supernatural results are fantastic.
I think yeah, Dean needs a story line more than Cas, and should have won the category, but apart from that, I agree with all the other results so all-in-all I’m very happy with how the results have turned out.
you guys are all blind idiots if you don’t think dean had a storyline in season eight. He’s finally accepted himself and who he is and what he wants in life and his dark sides and his dorkiness, and he opened himself up to new people, and wasn’t ripped apart when he lost them, because he loves and needs other people, but he’s a whole person on his own, and he knows that now. and there’s hope and light, and everything isn’t doom and gloom anymore. because of his experience in purgatory and his slowly coming to accept sam as independent and capable (the conclusion of his arc being leaving sam at the church to do the last trial alone).
so frankly, fuck you, if you didn’t appreciate any of that last season. just cause it isn’t a mytharc, doesn’t mean it isn’t valid. or interesting. personally, i find the more subtle character arcs far more interesting than the mythology stuff.
/EDG/
I am definitely overall very happy with these results! All the Dean and Castiel wins, as well as Jensen winning the Emmy nod category, make me extremely happy! Especially given that they were up against such tough and deserving competition in all the categories.
I have to say that I am shocked that Dean didn’t win the character most in need of a storyline category. I thought that he would have that in the bag with as many people as I’ve seen that are upset about his lack of a story in Season 8. However, I can’t find it in my heart to be upset that Castiel won…I’m sorry! I agree that Dean needs more to do and a myth-arc story next season, but I’m happy for Castiel to win the category too. I hope that both characters, as well as Sam, have great story-lines in Season 9 of the show! What I want most is a great story-line for all 3 of the show’s regulars! */* Team Free Will */*
In a perfect world, Supernatural would have won for Favorite Drama for me and Jensen or Jared for Fave Drama Actor, but I’ve no doubt that Bones and David’s wins in those categories were well-deserved! I don’t personally watch Bones but I’m sure it is an amazing show too!
Congratulations to everyone that had their favorite win in a category! And big thanks to GMMR for this fun event allowing us to come out and support our favorite actors, characters, and shows!
Well, Dean was definitely robbed in the character in most need of a story category. Sorry Cas fans.
Wow I’m really surprised Cas won the storyline category. As much as I love him, I think it’s time for Dean to shine. But well, I won’t get upset by something like this, I love all my boys. Cas needs more like emotional stryline just like Sam does. These two drove Supernatural myth arc for so long, they need some character development too. Dean’s was wonderful this season but I really want to see him deal with the big guns.
But it’s funny that we won every single category we’ve been in. AGAIN. I’m happy 🙂
YAY BONES 🙂 But Booth and Brennan are the fav couple
Well most of what I voted for won so I’m definitely happy. 🙂 Congrats to all the winning shows & fandoms!
Sorry to the bitter Dean fans. At least you get to see him every episode, which is twice as much as Cas fans are going to be getting. I’m not saying quantity is better than quality, but when it’s a small quantity it better be quality. Cas’ spot on the show isn’t ever really guaranteed and if he’s not on the show, obviously we don’t get to see his storyline unfold either because when he’s not there, most of the time it’s like the show just forgets he even exists. Yea, Cas gets story, but it’s story we’re mostly told and don’t actually see and a lot of which is left unanswered.
So I’m sorry you’re upset and think it’s an unnecessary win, honest I am, but no need to be a sore loser and try to ruin others’ happiness. Please don’t be too mad at your fellow fans for taking any chance to show that Cas is important to us and that we want to see his story on screen too.
Thanks for the help Cas fans. Now we can send the message out that they don’t need to bother writing for Dean because there’s not enough of us left watching to be concerned. Castiel has storylines about him. Dean doesn’t. It’s as clear as day. This wasn’t a Poll about favorite character. Castiel has become a regular and has a storyline already set up for S9 there’s NOTHING for Dean and he had NOTHING last half of S8 but worry about Sam. Dean is worth more than being a prop for your favorite I thought you guys understood what this meant for us. I just want to cry and give up campaigning 🙁
Cas is my favourite character so I’m really happy with the results. Dean though should have won the storyline. I think people get confused though because Cas wasn’t in a big chunk of the episodes and perhaps they felt he lacked a story. Maybe they should have also included a question like Which character needs to be utilized more or something similar.
I’m really sorry Dean didn’t get this one, all Cas!galls I know (including me because he absolutely deserves it) voted for him! Hopefully, despite this he’ll get an interesting storyline in s9! Kepping my fingers crossed and trying to remain optimistic!
Marisa Roffman, can you please show the actual results in numbers of votes, percentage or whatever?
@ Zoe – We don’t know what the stories will be for Dean or Cas in Season 9 so I’m trying to stay optimistic. I did vote for Dean for a storyline because he has been severely lacking in that department since the end of Season 5.
I understand being upset that Dean didn’t win but ONE poll on ONE website does not invalidate everything else that we have done to get the PTB to realize Dean needs a real story line as well. It doesn’t take away from the campaigns nor does it take away from all of the other websites that–on their own–noted Dean needs a real story line.
I am a Dean AND Castiel fan who voted for Dean; yet I have to say I’m starting to get kinda tired of people coming for Castiel over having a “story line” like anything he’s been given has been amazing or not mostly told off screen. In all honestly nothing Castiel has done is something I’d want for Dean.
Trouble is numbers and rating are all TPTB care about. If they don’t think there’s enough fans bothered they won’t change things and will continue writing Sam and Cas stories only, with Dean on the side worrying, a Poll win would have counted more.
Can people here at least give our petition a boost. I’m literally crying, stupid show lol
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/mytharc-for-dean-winchester/
xZoe
GO, DEAN/CAS. Winning all the things! Though I think Dean should have won the character in need of storyline… he’s so much more than Sam’s caretaker.
@ CJ; I’m rather positive that Dean will be a major player in the endgame of the series’ last two seasons. TPTB would be absolutely stupid to not use him for anything but a point of view, and I do not believe for one moment that they truly are that incompetent in what they do for living. Dean is the second main character. He will have a part to play. The seasons six and seven hardly count here, as the plotline was a mess and it was written to end at any given time. The current storyline is written for three full seasons and has continuity, something 6 and 7 lacked. Dean’s character development is now set in S8 as the basis of whatever will be his part in the escalation and eventual climax of the story we have now. I’d find it likely that Castiel’s part in S9 is the character development section where he isn’t as crucial to the myth arc as the two brothers, and Dean takes up his place in it, especially considering Sam’s condition. Storywise, now just simply is the time for Dean to take on a role, but in retrospect to his development in S8, it will definitely be different from what it has been before.
@Zoe Oh I totally get what you’re saying and I do agree, but I’m also a Castiel fan so it’s irritating to see especially (other) Dean fans coming for him. I guess I feel like Dean fans and Castiel fans should just always get along and support each other since…well I feel both are the underdogs of the show. Dean doesn’t get mytharcs and Castiel’s are always either told largely off screen or make him look horrible/naive. So fans of both sticking together makes sense to me.
I’m sorry you’re so upset though! Believe me I’ve been there too lol.
So happy to see 2 of my favorite characters (Castiel and Dean) and their dynamic and moments won so many categories.
I need to stress I’m very happy to see Castiel is the winner of “Character most in need of a story line” category (though it would be the same for me if Dean won it) I think both Dean and Castiel need better story lines; Dean really needs a more “important” story line while Castiel seriously needs a more “stable” and thoughtful character developing and storyline as well as much much more screen time. Hope we’ll have better story lines for both of them as well as lots of Dean Cas friendship in season 9 🙂
Cas has story, but not much screen time, so his storylines typically play out mostly offscreen with a few scenes crammed into a handful of episodes. We miss big chunks of exposition and character development, like his story is constantly being fast forwarded and skipping important stuff. Dean, OTOH, has tons of screen time but not a lot to do with it. I think the vote for Cas was borne out of legitimate frustration. It’s just too bad there wasn’t a “character in need of more screen time” category because that was technically more appropriate for Cas.
@Restless – This has to be said again and again and again…screentime does not mean a storyline. They can have a character in every single episode doing nothing but chewing their nails and another who is in only a handful of episodes but is the key to the big plot, the chosen one – they have to complete a task, they get manipulated…go crazy and then save the day. Now WHO has the storyline? According to your logic it’s the one chewing their nails just because they are in every episode?
@ Charlotte; I’m extremely sad if you saw Dean’s development arch as nothing but biting his nail, because it was pretty groundbreaking.
This is ridiculous. I love Cas, but he ALWAYS has a storyline. Dean has been on this show for 8 years and it’s never about him. Dean worrying about Sam and Castiel is NOT a story line, no matter how you spin it.
If you listen carefully you can hear the SPN fandom cackling in the distance.
“so frankly, fuck you, if you didn’t appreciate any of that last season. just cause it isn’t a mytharc, doesn’t mean it isn’t valid. or interesting. personally, i find the more subtle character arcs far more interesting than the mythology stuff.”
@lg – and fuck you for implying that our opinions are invalid just because you don’t agree with them.
“I’m extremely sad if you saw Dean’s development arch as nothing but biting his nail, because it was pretty groundbreaking.” @Chakatai – I wasn’t being literal. I was being hypothetical. If you had two characters – one chewing their nails in every episode and one doing a load of crazy mytharc stuff in fewer episodes…which has the storyline? The one chewing their nails just because they have more screentime? I don’t want Dean to have more screentime, I want Dean to have a real plot driven important to the narrative non reactive storyline where his importance doesnt rely on him being an extension or support system to another. I would like to see a repeat to season 4 storytelling where Dean is in the middle, not to the side. I want it to be so important that the writers and producers are happy to talk about it to the fans and get us excited for future episodes, not sigh and huff when we keep asking about Dean and then fob us off with “Dean has lots on his hands”….and I’d like to know why this is considered so outrageous. It’s not like we’re asking for the Dean show. Cas can have all the screentime you like, but it’s Dean that needs the story.
I think that s8 was disappointing to both Dean and Cas fans. Cas fans have every right to feel frustrated since their favourite character was barely even there! That’s where all the Cas votes come from imo. Now if the category was: Character Most in Need of a Screentime Cas would’ve gotten my vote. I voted for Dean because him winning would send a message to the writers so I’m a bit dissapointed with the results. I love both characters (though I’m more of a Cas fan) and I want them to have a decent storyline. Dean and Cas fans have always gotten along, I just hope it doesn’t change.
@Mia: Dean and Cas fans are in harmony when Dean and Cas are loving one another and getting along. 🙂
Hope that this shows that the fans of #Leverage are still here!!! we still want our #Leverage…still love our #Leverage.. just wish we could have been voting for BEST DRAMA and not unplanned cancelled show!
I knew we could do it, if we can a few more people to check Leverage out and get a few more fans, Maybe we can get it back on the air!
I’m a diehard Cas fan who voted for Dean in the “Character Most in Need of a Storyline” and am genuinely surprised Cas won that category over Dean since I know there’s been a lot of unhappiness among the Dean fan crowd for which I’m very sympathetic to. I hope Dean fans won’t be too harsh on the Cas fans that voted for Cas because 1) A lot of us Cas fans DID vote for Dean and 2) I suspect some Cas fans might have been hoping that a win in this category would help get Castiel more screentime as his storylines have been frustratingly shoved off screen despite being crucial to the show. I do agree though that Castiel is set up for a good storyline in season 9 already, so again my sympathies to Dean fans. A lot of Cas fans did vote Dean and hope he gets a good storyline along with everyone else. 🙂
I’m very happy with all of the other Supernatural wins especially Jensen’s because he does deserve an Emmy for his great work, but sadly genre snobbery will exclude him. It’s wonderful to see Robbie Thompson’s 8.17 “Goodbye Stranger” crypt scene get some awards and well deserved recognition. For me it was one of the most moving scenes of the season packed full of emotionally moving scenes. This isn’t to dismiss any of the great Sam/Dean scenes we also got in season 8. I think it’s a credit to the show’s much improved quality in season 8 that two resonant moments from this series nominated. Go Supernatural!
Eh, I might actually pay attention to these results if I hadn’t seen Dean/Cas shippers brag on Tumblr & Twitter about finding ways to cheat the voting system.
And the butthurt Dean fans need to wake up & realize Destiel shippers don’t give a crap about Dean beyond Castiel. If he were caretaking & fixing meals for their precious Cas they would be singing SUCH a different tune.
I am so happy that #Leverage won for “Best Finale Unplanned.” It just shows how brilliant Dean Devlin along with the other Producers and Writers are and why “Leverage” should still be on the air!
surprised by cas winning the storyline one but i can see why. tho, i truly believe that had there been a separate poll for screentime and storyline dean would’ve won for storyline. it’s just that it seems a lot of people confuse screentime with storyline. when they really are not the same.
i think this might be a good chance for dean fans, and cas fans too, to talk about why these two things are very different as this seems to be a common misconception across the board.
and i don’t think it’s out of malice but that some people think that “well since dean is there in literally every episode he has a storyline. as opposed to cas who is only around for 8 episodes for a season.”
but what some seem to misunderstand, from what i’ve seen at least, is that dean hasn’t really vital to a lot of the over reaching storylines recently. season 8 has done amazing things as far as developing his character but then in the last few eps they ripped all that away to have him regress into caretaker mode. which is a part of his character for sure but that isn’t a storyline. or more like they didn’t even explore that aspect of his character to MAKE it one.
dean making soup for sick sam isn’t a storyline. them exploring how dean’s world was falling apart and how in order to avoid the guilt over killing benny, his frustration and mixed emotions regarding the cas situation, complied with the push/pull of the gates of hell closing but at the expense of sam (bringing back into play s5 ending feelings of not wanting to have sam die for the world while he watches) is. but that didn’t happen.
but i also think that dean fans need to understand that to some cas fans, having a storyline isn’t worth much if you don’t even get to see it play out. what’s the point of having cas be god if it’s over in one episode? what’s the point of having him controlled by naomi if nothing is ever really explained before it was over and you only get to see that for 1 to 2 minutes at a time over the course of 4 episodes with large breaks with no cas at all between them?
jmo
Okay probably going to get a lot of grumblings as well as some hate comments. But I don’t care. I agree with everything except for the Dean and Cas couple.
First I can’t believe Give me my remote went there. Really? Serious? Why entertain the idea? It is not character driven for those characters to be together. Secondly I cannot believe that people actually wants them to be together. People…the characters are not gay. Period. End of story. No matter what the fans wish they were.
Slash is fine in the fan fiction world. That is for your amusement if you like that kind of thing. If you are a Supernatural fan, you know the characters. They are not gay. If it Capt. Jack Harkness and Dr. Who fine…the characters are portrayed to lean to be with people of their own gender.
Come on people…Let their characters have a familyship and friendship. Do we need to change the characters to suit our own needs? You can have a bond with someone of the same sex without having a sexual relationship.
Okay off my soap box. Let the insults roll.
Sorry Dean fans, as a Cas fan I definitely voted for Dean. But I guess some Cas fans confused screen time with storyline. I’m sure like me, most Cas fans voted for Jensen in the Emmy category. Maybe there should be some sort of petition for Dean that can be sent to the producers and writers. I’m sure many Cas fans would support that if it were promoted amongst them. Lets just try to have better understanding between fans.
Well this tells me that there are hardly any Dean fans left watching the show and that many Cas and so-called Destiel fans really don’t give a fuck about Dean as long as Cas gets more screentime. Actually the thing that will make everyone happy would be for the show to just replace Dean with Cas and be done with it. That will make Cas fans happy because he’ll be on the show every episode. Sam fans will be ecstatic that Cas will be his new BFF and all.about.Sam and the few Dean/Jensen fans hanging on futilely hoping that Dean will have some relevance beyond whatever doormatty emo the writers cook up to fill Jensen’s screentime quota, will finally be able to move on.
So happy to see SPN do well in the awards (I really enjoyed Season 8) and to see that Dean & Castiel scene, which was a powerful, earned moment that built on a long history between them and was a breakthrough emotionally, get love.
A lot of SPN fans, including myself, feel that Dean needs a better defined storyline, so I was kind of surprised that he didn’t win character most in need of a storyline. But I know many, many Castiel and Dean/Cas fans who supported Dean in this category in the poll and who have expressed the same concerns Dean fans have that Dean needs more of a plot link in his own right, rather than always landing at being the caretaker and protector and witness to the crisis of his loved ones.
“And the butthurt Dean fans need to wake up & realize Destiel shippers don’t give a crap about Dean beyond Castiel.”
lol, seriously? do you know just how many people ship dean and cas? they run the gamut. (i have a friend who’s a d/c shipper and hates cas. i don’t understand it, but she exists, so..)
I’m a fan of Dean and I’m a Destiel shipper. I can’t believe people think Destiel fans aren’t Dean fans? As a matter of fact, I’d say it’s split 50/50 in terms of which Destiel fans lean more towards Dean, or more towards Cas. I have seen both.
As for you, Sarah. There was no information about cheating going on on twitter or tumblr. You completely fabricated that. This poll was one vote per IP. Now, on other polls that don’t have that restriction, people of all fandoms find ways to get around it.
There was no need for us to cheat, anyway. There’s enough of us to win a damn poll, come on.
i think it’s funny that Pelant won best serial killer, from all the posts on facebook there isn’t a Bones fan out there that likes him – LOL
@Charlotte you’re right, that was shitty and out of line. I’m sorry. I’m just tired and frustrated with dean not being appreciated for what he is by his own fans.
I hope some Dean fans had their eyes opened. A Cas fan is not a Dean fan when it matters. And a Destiel fan is just a Cas fan who wants Dean to wait on Cas instead of Sam. It took me a long time to realize this, so I didn’t expect Cas fans to support Dean’s storyline at all in this or any poll where Cas is also the choice.
@Laurie: “When it matters”?! IT DOESN’T MATTER. IT’S A FREAKING POLL. So not enough Dean fans voted on that one. Boo freaking hoo. It’s one poll, maybe you should check out the E!Online one where Dean just one as best drama actor. My god, I can’t believe what babies people are being on this stupid freaking thing.
So happy to see SPN win in so many categories, especially the Dean/Cas crypt scene since the relationship between those two continues to be my favorite thing about the show! Like many have already said, I’m a little surprised Cas won the “Most in need of a story line” category. I voted for Dean for that one… Now don’t get me wrong, all of Dean’s development this past season was great (really, really GREAT), but when we got down to the last few episodes and all Dean could do was serve Sam beef jerky and chocolate telling him to eat, his lack of purpose outside of helping Sam and Cas was glaringly obvious (and honestly quite painful to watch).
I really hope going into season 9 Sam and Cas get the emotional character developing focus that was given to Dean in season 8, and that Dean in turn gets more of the myth arc focus. With the angel fall event I’m sure Castiel will be driving a lot of that story line (not sure if him or Dean will “deal with” the Angel Trials or not), and then there’s always the possibility that we are going to get the “What’s wrong with Sam” story line (again) as he struggles with the consequences of not finishing the trials properly. I’m really hoping they don’t go that way, but I’m pretty sure they will. We’ll see!
Either way I’m looking forward to next season like crazy! More character development for Sam and Cas! Less “support only” from Dean! Thank you Supernatural for continuing to make a show I love after all these years! I’ll be with you til the end! <3
Well there are a bunch of Cas-hating Sam fans who also hate the idea of Dean being anything but Sam’s loyal little sycophant so I wouldn’t be surprised if they voted for Cas to have a storyline just to make sure Dean lost that category. I’ve seen them chortling with glee on twitter and various anon memes.
Still, it saddens me that apparently so many Cas and Dean/Cas shippers really don’t care anymore about Dean as an individual than most of those Sam fans who can’t stand the thought of the show being anything but SamNatural.
@Laurie I don’t know where you’re getting that but it sounds ridiculous. I’m sorry Dean didn’t win, I voted for him and would absolutely love it if he had his own storyline next season and beyond, with Cas and Sam supporting HIM for a change.
There’s still a chance that the showrunnners and writers have heard what people want and have given Dean an arc. If not, there’s not a chance they *haven’t* heard what fans have said because we’ve been screaming it from the rooftops, then they weren’t going to do it anyway.
I’m extremely pleased with these results. Cas is my favorite character and it was nice to see him get a little more recognition than usual. Although I don’t think he was necessarily the most deserving winner of the Most in Need of a Storyline category, I understand why other fans would vote for him. I don’t think people voted for Cas because he doesn’t have a lot of screen time (although it is a large problem), it’s that the majority of his storyline is offscreen, and even the parts that are onscreen often use him as more of a prop or even villain rather than a hero amid the action.
HOWEVER, Dean was the clear choice in my mind for this category. Ever since he was pushed out of the Michael storyline, I don’t think Dean has gotten to be large part of the mytharc, not even one that portrays him as being in the wrong or occurs offscreen, such as Cas’. I think that Dean fans and all fans have a right to be upset over the results.
Despite that, I agree with Chakatai in that it is highly likely that Dean will take the mytharc in the next season, potentially the next two. He had a lot of character development this season and a lot of development in the relationships with other characters, particularly Charlie and Cas (whether you consider the latter relationship to be romantic or platonic) which could play into the conflict of the next season assuming that a large majority of the plot will involve the angel tablet. I can see the possibility of Dean’s closeness to Cas posing some sort of problem, perhaps that Dean is worried about losing Cas by fixing Heaven or turning him away by failing.
Either way, I think Sam will be having some downtime in the upcoming season(s) due to his illness and the fact that he is not as close with Cas, which will leave the mytharc with Dean, or maybe even Dean AND Cas together, especially if it involves angels. I’m not claiming to know any more than anyone else, but my best prediction for the coming season(s) is that Dean fans and Cas fans and fans of both will be satisfied with the direction that the show takes.
And hell. What I wrote previously was a little rude, I think. Hair trigger and too much wank. Apologies.
I love Supernatural and I love our fandom, I really truly do. But sometimes, and now is one of those times, that I REALLY REALLY just want to tell the entire freaking fandom to stow your crap!
I cannot understand the inability of people in this fandom to just simply get along! It shouldn’t be this difficult. It shouldn’t be a freaking battle in every comment section… in every corner of the internet that you look. I love that the Supernatural fans are so passionate and care so deeply about the show and their favorites from it, but you can love and support what you like without all this needless drama. Please. I can just imagine what other fandoms and other people think about Supernatural fans. No wonder SPN fans get the reputation that they do.
It’s a great show with three wonderful regular characters played by three amazing actors. If you’re a Dean/Jensen fan and vote for him in every single category that he is nominated in, that’s terrific! Same for Cas/Misha fans and Sam/Jared fans! If you watch the show because of one of three, two of three, or all three of them, it doesn’t matter. Whatever your reason for watching the show…there is nothing wrong with that. If you want Dean and Castiel to be a romantically canon couple, awesome. If you want Dean and Castiel to remain just friends, terrific. We’re all entitled to our opinions, but it would be so nice if we could just start putting those opinions out there without sounding like our opinions are the only ones that matter, without putting down things that others love, or acting like others’ opinions are invalid because they’re different.
I’m very, very sorry for the Dean fans that he didn’t win the Character Most in Need of a Storyline. I am. I know how much that poll meant to you guys and how much you wanted him to win it. I know that many Cas fans did vote for Dean in that because many Cas fans agree that Dean needs more of a storyline, even though we love Cas and also want him to have a storyline. For those of you saying that Cas fans and Dean/Cas fans don’t care about Dean because he didn’t win this one category… just really? Cause if you look at the comments, I think you’ll see a multitude of people that love Dean, whether they voted for him or not. If you go back to the actual poll and look at the comments there, I think you’ll see that many Cas fans and Dean/Cas fans were supporting Dean there and voting for him there. And just because Cas is someone’s favorite character doesn’t mean that they don’t care about Dean or Sam. Just because Dean is someone’s favorite character doesn’t mean that they don’t care about Cas and Sam. Just because Sam is someone’s favorite character doesn’t mean that they don’t care about Dean and Cas. I know there are people out there that do dislike/not care for/hate other characters, but the majority of everyone that I know loves all three characters, and there is nothing wrong with having favorites.
I’m sorry for the SamnDean fans that didn’t win the categories that those scenes were nominated in. I’m sorry for the Jared fans that didn’t win the Emmy category. I know that the Jared fans really really wanted that win…they’ve even organized a campaign in the past to try and get Jared an Emmy! (Which I wholeheartedly agree that the entire SPN cast and crew deserve awards like that because they are all amazing!)
I’m sorry for anyone that had a favorite nominee that didn’t win their poll, and the people that didn’t even have a favorite to get nominated. But just because something didn’t win this one poll here doesn’t mean that it isn’t still great and worthy of winning whatever it was nominated for…it just means that more fans liked/voted something else better. Do I wish that Naomi or Linda Tran had won the category for Most Disappointing Off-Screen Exit? Definitely. But that doesn’t mean that I’m going to be rude to the Grey’s Anatomy fans that voted for their favorite character to win that one. I understand being disappointed in the results of a poll, but you can be disappointed without being mean about it.
Also, can we please remember that all the nominations were submitted by fans…it was not GMMR that did the nominating here, it was fans. So can we please not blame Marissa and GMMR for nominees or results that we didn’t like for whatever reason?
I’m sorry for the long rant. I just wish for once that this fandom could be the (SPN)FAMILY that we’re always proclaiming ourselves to be, that we could try and be a team and work together instead of tearing each other down, and that we could all have our opinions/favorites/etc and still respect that other people feel differently from us.
Whoa. Reading some of these comments is really surprising. Do people really think that Destiel fans and Cas fans don’t care about Dean at all? Cas is my favorite character on the show, but I love Dean as an individual AND in his interactions with others. I don’t want him to “wait on Cas.” I don’t want Sam out of the picture and I don’t want Destiel to replace the brotherly bond or have the same chemistry. And I don’t hate Sam either, I just think it’s time for Dean (and Sam too) to have a meaningful relationship that isn’t as unhealthy and codependent as the relationship between Sam and Dean.
Also, very rarely do I see hate directed towards Dean from Cas fans/Destiel shippers. If anything, hate from Dean fans and Sam fans and “brothers only” fans is more prominent. I just want Cas to have a bigger presence on the show, not erase Sam and Dean from the picture.
SPNFan summed up all of my thoughts, probably a lot more cohesively than I did. Bravo for making yourself so clear and neutral on the issue. I too hope to see less fighting between fans.
Woot for the Castle wins! Favorite couple, especially. And yeah, Stana totally deserves that Emmy nod. But I don’t get how Grey’s Anatomy’s Mark Sloan was even nominated for off-screen exit. His exit was on screen. We had to watch him die in the hospital. Heart-breaking.
“Also, very rarely do I see hate directed towards Dean from Cas fans/Destiel shippers. ”
Then you don’t get out much. Ever since Dean and Cas’ relationship has been strained since season 6, Cas and many “destiel” fans have hated on Dean incessantly. I won’t even get into the Jensen-bashing because their ship isn’t canon.
I’m sorry, but all this butter-wouldn’t-melt-in-my-mouth “we love Dean” crap after the fact, is coming across as damage control bullshit because for the most part, Dean fans have always supported Cas and Misha’s presence on the show and now they’re worried about losing that base of support.
Well you guys have been taking Dean and his fans for granted long enough. I love Misha and Cas, but clearly his fans don’t need the support of Dean fans, so I am done supporting your favorite character when you couldn’t care less about mine.
I loved the results, perhaps disappointed with either or other result more on overall it was great.
It was my first time voting here and I really really liked it, unlike other places where spam is prevalent.
Thank you!:D
Dean’s Mojo, you do realize a lot of us Cas fans DID vote for Dean in that category, myself included, yes? You’re not helping your cause by alienating Cas fans and causing more divisiveness in the fandom. Doesn’t SPN fandom have enough pointless fighting as it is? Losing this poll doesn’t mean Dean is doomed to not get a good storyline in season 9, and I still very much hope that Dean gets a great one.
@Dean’s Mojo
I’m sorry that you feel that way. If you must know, I did vote for Dean in that category and many others, so my support is not “after the fact.” I am simply trying to guess the reasoning behind Cas’s win. Aside from that, I certainly don’t blame Dean for the tension in their relationship, and I have no hate towards Jensen. How could anyone even blame him for anything not being canon? He’s an actor, not a writer!
And maybe I’ve been living in a bubble, but I truthfully don’t see much hate from Cas fans towards Dean. I know it exists and I’ve seen it, but I just don’t see it as frequently. I’m not claiming to be an expert on anything and I don’t want to start any fights, but I just haven’t experienced that as much as you have. I wouldn’t expect us to see all the same things. I’m sorry if my personal experiences (or lack thereof) have offended you as that was not the intention.
Anyways, it saddens me to think that Dean fans think they are losing support from Cas fans. No matter what happens, Dean will always be a character that I hold close to my heart and that I want the best for. I will continue to support Dean and Cas, and I really hope that Dean fans continue to do the same because we need support as much as any other group of fans.
@IMHO
No way I’ll support Cas again. This was the Cas fans move.
Cas fans can pet themselves on their shoulders now for winning all the unimportant categories plus the one which was important for Dean fans.
If the poll had been “better storyline”, I would have totally understood Cas fans.
Now Cas can have another storyline again where he causes nothing but crap, and Dean can go on with serving food. Good job everybody.
@cat
Although I wanted Dean to win this category, I really don’t think that this one poll is going to make much of a difference. The fandom has expressed their displeasure with Dean’s lack of mytharc, even those who might believe that Cas has more of a dire need. I voted for Dean on this one, but I don’t think it’s fair to say that all Cas/Destiel fans don’t care simply because they had a different opinion. If you ask me, Jensen’s win in the Emmy category has much more significance and may influence the writers to give Dean a better storyline, and I know for a fact that many Cas fans voted for Jensen in that category.
Please don’t let one poll turn you against such a large part of the fandom. If it does, then don’t let your negative view of Cas fans negatively impact your opinion of Cas as a character or Misha as an actor. I assure you that many Cas fans such as myself voted for Dean and many of us are equally as displeased with the result of this category. I can also assure you that those who did vote for Cas were not trying to be malicious, nor do they want Cas to cause trouble and Dean to be useless with the exception of cooking warm meals.
***You’re not helping your cause by alienating Cas fans and causing more divisiveness in the fandom.***
@ Michelle, my cause is lost anyway so why should I continue to play nice to a group of people who have proven that they expect support but won’t give it in return? Sure maybe some “destiel” fans voted for Dean, but the majority clearly did not. My take away from that is that they do not care if Dean has a story or not.
Sam already hogs the majority of the mytharc attention, so I no longer have any interest in supporting a character who takes away what little is left over and sadly, that is exactly what the writers have done by giving the angel portion of the tablet storyline to Cas.
Meanwhile, you guys can go back to sucking up to Sam fans by going on and on about how you want to see Sam and Cas become better friends and keep getting kicked in the teeth for your troubles because they won’t care anymore about your guy than they do about mine. They, and the writers, can only accept a character who is all about Sam and we’ve all seen what that has done to Dean’s place in the story. So good luck with the long slow loss of Cas’ identity and his unique place in the show. Eventually, he too, will become nothing more than a prop and cheerleader for Sam.
**Although I wanted Dean to win this category, I really don’t think that this one poll is going to make much of a difference. **
@IMHO I don’t think the poll will make any difference in the writers room but it does tell me a lot about how apparently most of that part of the fandom values Dean.
@IMHO
Jensen winning the Emmy category is pointless. The genre isn’t getting recognition, and without a storyline he can’t really put his talents on display anyways.
In the end, nothing we do matters, since we are complaining to deaf ears on the writers side.
Be honest. The fans who stuck with the show since 2005 have slowly left the sinking ship.
Cas fans commenting here are obviously trying to do damage control, and/or are not responsible for the outcome of the poll. Sure nobody was trying to be malicious. Unfortunately “a large part of the fandom” dreams of nothing else but Cas and Dean having sex and putting flower crowns on them, and they are the most vocal ones. How embarrassing.
Time to move on now, we all want to enjoy it but it’s just a TV show after all.
Destiel is perfect s2
Very happy for Dean/Jensen and Castiel and SPN to win so many categories! Congrats to all of us!
and for those of you who think winning or loosing a single poll would make such a great change in TPTB decisions, really people?!!! are you this new in the fandom?! For example do you know how many BIG polls destiel has won in the past years?! If TPTB care so much about such things, Destiel should have been 200% canon already!
I don’t want to be negative, and I’m not saying winning such polls is completely useless (In fact I believe such polls are great place for us to give our favorite show/characters/actors good publicity and we can also hope in one way or another, TPTB would finally appreciate our enthusiasm, at some point), but let’s be a bit more realistic and not ruin OUR success and happiness for such dreamy thoughts.
We WON in the major categories!!! Mwahahaha. So happy for #Bones, Emily Deschanel, David Boreanaz and yes, PELANT. As much as I hate him, I’m still glad he won that award. 😉
Ironically, BOTH the Deschanel sisters won Fav Actress. Emily as Fav Drama Actress and Zooey as Fav Comedy Actress. AND their shows won Fav Drama Series and Fav Comedy series. Lol.
I have already posted but wanted to jump in and say as a Cas fan I voted for Dean as the character in need of a storyline. As far as I can tell from tweeting, most of my timeline did too. I love Dean and fully support the campaign for him to get a mytharc.
And as far as the implication that Casfans only care about Cas, this is completely wrong. Certain fans with agendas push anything that will make Casfans appear in a bad light which is truly sad. I’m embracing Robbie Thompsons tweet however and am going with, let’s all be a family and be excellent to each other. You rock Robbie and I’m still so thrilled your wonderful episode won so many awards.
ugggg Castle sucks
Cas has a storyline, always had one. Dean has had only one season and that was taken away, and then 1/2 season and that was shared with Cas and then taken away from Dean again.
It’s disappointing that no matter how many storylines Sam and Cas gets, the fans want more, yet Dean is never allowed to have a storyline of his own that doesn’t mean that he has to kiss Sam and Cas’s butts.
And of course, Carver will deliver and Dean will once again be shafted while the Sam fans and Cas fans get everything they want, again. SPN has gone downhill and incompetent show runners like Carver and Singer, who have no idea how to create a show with equality for ALL characters is only serving to bring this show down to its knees.
The huge majority of comments are from both Dean and Cas fans claiming they voted for Dean. So where are all the Cas fans who voted Castiel? Let us know why you thought Cas was the most in need of a story despite Purgatory, getting the Angel Tablet arc, being kidnapped and tortured by Naomi and dealing with Metatron right up to the finale where his kin is falling from the skies and he’s turning human. Compared to Dean who shared in the 11 mins of Purgatory, made friends with a vamp only to kill him a few eps later so the show can send the message Dean is only allowed to be about Sam and serve Sam’s story.
He had no set up from the finale to spark discussion while Cas fans have been talking about Human Cas and Sam fans talking about what failing to do the trials means for his health. We have nothing. Singer even said Dean got sent to Purgatory in the first place so they could explore Sam’s character alone not because they had a purpose in mind for Dean. They don’t think about Dean as separate from Sam or from Cas for that matter. We need to make them think and we needed this poll to help us. I thought it was just Sam fans who didn’t want story for Dean because they were scared it would upset their ideal show of Dean being Sam’s personal lapdog.
Dean’s Mojo, if you feel your cause is lost, then why are you wasting your time and energy posting about this? Why not move on to another show as you sound clearly so unhappy? If it sounds like Dean is getting the sort of storyline you desire, you can always get caught up with season 9 later. That’s what I did with season 7 when I was so unhappy about Castiel’s removal after 7.02. I stopped watching until I heard they were bringing the character back, so perhaps you could do something similar especially if none of the spoilers that we’ll get from SDCC aren’t reassuring.
Winning that poll with Dean won’t suddenly magically change the writers’ minds. I think a bit too much importance was being put into it from you. After all Destiel has won plenty of polls, and we have no such guarantee whatsoever that the ship will ever be made canon. They probably already have the first half of this season written out anyway. I’m very saw Dean lost it, as I and other Cas fans did vote for him too. It is possible to love all three main characters, Dean, Sam, and Castiel and want good solid storylines for all three. I hope we get that in season 9, and I especially hope for it for Dean fans since I know a group of them have been very unhappy since season 5.
Dean’s Mojo, it hurts to have given support to Dean fans who want a better storyline and then to have that support flung back into my face because enough of my fellow Cas fans apparently didn’t follow suit. I can understand expressing disappointment that more Cas fans (and Sam fans) didn’t come to your support, but hurting the people who DID try to help by making snide generalizations accomplishes nothing.
But I know you think your cause is lost. Which again begs the question, if you’re so utterly without hope, then why are you here? Does it really feel better to put people down and lash out strangers over a poll that in the end, really WON’T be a deciding factor if Dean gets the sort of storyline you want?
So happy Leverage won it has an excellent series finale. Why we are still completely saddened to see it go, it went out with grace and really tied everything up. There are still so many places these characters can go. (Leverage International anyone????) So glad they didn’t do something crazy and kill off someone; so if miracles do happen and we do get to see our Leverage again they can pick up where they left off which is great.
I don’t know, I’m a Sam fan, I love Dean/Cas and I voted for Dean to have a storyline. Yup, people like that exist too.
Don’t be too upset over one poll, it won’t change anything (how many polls did destiel fans win? A LOT) I’ve seen many Cas fans who were really surprised that Cas won the storyline category because they voted for Dean but I’m sure TPTB will give a storyline to him. They received a lot of criticism last season because in the second half it was just obvious that Dean doesn’t have a thing to do.
I hope so much Sam (and Cas) will get some emotional storyline. Those two characters are just so endeveloped I want to know more about them.
I don’t even know what Castiel was doing in this poll in the first place. He has TWO friggin’ storylines going into S9. Ridiculous. I wish they would just kill Dean off in the premiere since their limited writing abilities preclude them from writing a real sl for the character-meaning one that is about HIM and not strictly about supporting other characters in theirs. What I got from S8 is that the writers seem to want the Sam and Cas Show. Fine. Then free Jensen and his fans from this mess so that we can all move on.
I totally agree that Dean should have gotten this one. But I just want to point out that Jensen Ackles has done a truly remarkable job, because even without all the flashy storylines that Cas and Sam get, he’s gone above and beyond the writers to create a character that the fanbase is insanely passionate about. I think the comments on this thread prove that Dean is adored, and that it doesn’t take crazy storylines for fans to love a character.
@Cat – “Unfortunately “a large part of the fandom” dreams of nothing else but Cas and Dean having sex and putting flower crowns on them”
With respect, speaking as a Deangirl who is immersed in Dean/Castiel fandom, this comment reveals that you know very little about Dean/Castiel fandom and what fans want. Yes of course many Dean/Castiel fans would love to see the romantic aspect become canon. But you’ve made a blanket generalization that ignores the bulk of Dean/Cas fans concerns. Which include a storyline for Dean in his own right, good Dean & Cas scenes (their canon friendship), a storyline for Cas, a storyline for Sam, more Sam and Dean and Cas working together, and hoping for more Kevin and Charlie or other supporting characters fans love. Dean/Castiel fans love the characters in their own right in addition to any duo or ship they root for, just like any other contingent of fandom.
Castiel fans, like anyone else, have a right to vote for whomever they please, but if people are going to knee-jerk go to the blamey place, I’m going to point out, again, how many Casfans I know that have supported Dean.
Joining others in being fed up with this in-fighting and nastiness and generalizations. It’s bad all over but I feel like Castiel and Dean/Castiel fans get a disproportionate amount of bashing/hate/blame/generalizations/villification and it’s especially astonishing when I see such really bad behavior from the more brother leaning fans. Including those who claim they’re better and more sensible fans, unlike those horrible destiel fans who supposedly only watch for their slash OTP and don’t according to them properly appreciate SPN, who then turn around and say only Sam and Dean matter, and hate on the writers, other fans, and other characters and ships. Every faction screws up. Every faction also supports the show as a whole and has many fans who love it for more than one reason and can deeply appreciate things outside their favorite(s) or have multiple favorites. I don’t assume that the bad behavior from brother fans represents a majority and I’d like it if people could extend the same courtesy towards Dean/Castiel fans.
Still very happy about the poll results (even though I’m a worried Dean fan). 😀
Thrilled to see that Leverage is still winning awards! Just wish it had not been for the series finale. Maybe some network with brains will now notice that this show keeps right on winning awards and generating fans, even after the way TNT treated the cast/crew, and bring it back on air! With a dedicated fanbase and multiple awards, it is a sure-fire winner!!
it’s a bit weird to go from the common random thought that screen time= storyline to “cas or dean/cas fans don’t care about dean” just because dean lost.
even more so if you claim to know what the common cas or dean/cas fan talk about. because the large majority of those fans both on tumblr, twitter, and fan forums all talk about how dean needs a storyline all his own. what you’d read is fans hoping that dean gets a storyline that allows for good interaction with cas, and other variations as well. like i’ve seen tons of dean/cas fans who love dean and charlie and wish benny could come back as well.
any push back or “hate” that i’ve seen comes from folks that have had valid reactions to canon problems between the characters. and i’m not talking the “mean to cas” folks. but people who had issues with the way dean had been written to treat cas like a tool at some points. keep in mind that was a small portion of time in s6 and again when he left him in the hospital in s7.
quite frankly all the “damage” done in those two seasons was pretty much reversed after most of s8 showed dean reacting the way he normally would to the people he cares about. aka not being written as a jerk who wants to use a mentally ill person as a tool but showing concern when a friend is obviously having a rough time and being supportive but also not a push over. or idk, writing dean as being upset and rightfully so, but also not having him be nasty about it. exploring the trust issues that go both ways but actually allowing dean to voice his hurt and disappointment in a very gruff dean way that still shows he cares.
the only people that i’ve seen “hating” on dean from the dean/cas or cas online community are the small groups that overly woobify cas. and even within that group the amount of folks actually hating on dean is relatively small as the common trope they just wanna see is the big jerk jock dean learning his lesson for being mean to poor fragile virginal pale cas with his pale thin wrists and pale blushing face whenever dean looks at him and he follows dean’s every command and is helpless without dean so don’t be mean to cas. so basically they function in random like it should be a cas praise kink fic…
I’m sure some unfair and judgmental comments about Cas fans and Sam fans that I read here are NOT presenting the majority of Dean fans. and I don’t think anyone actually believe that when you vote in such poll, you have to come back and defend your vote after winning the poll!
After so many polls that Dean won and Cas fans happily congratulated Dean fans, now FOR ONCE Cas has won a poll and guess what?! Some Dean fans keep accusing Cas fans while poor Cas fans are just being sympathetic to them and practically apologize for their victory!!
@Carley: “So where are all the Cas fans who voted Castiel?”
As I said I don’t think when you win a poll u have to come back and defend your vote, but in case it’s actually a question in ur mind, I may be able to help.
1. I don’t agree that whatever writers throw at Cas every other time and Cas fans talk about it a lot are necessarily *storylines*. Actually most of what pple call Cas’s storylines (including Angel tablet and its stupid rushed trials) have been only irrelevant ugly *tools* for writers to keep him AWAY from being on screen or at least from getting close to the Winchesters, and it’s something that writers have admitted themselves. I’m totally sure no Dean fan EVER would want such thing as a storyline for Dean. The thing is that Cas fans have always been so deprived of seeing their favorite character that makes them simply accept anything as a subject for fangirling and talking about. (For instance you might remember that Human!Cas was really a complete No-No for most of Cas fans, so that when few months ago in a convention Misha said it’s the only option that writers consider, we all were like NOOO! and even many prefered to ignore it and believed that Misha is not really aware of writers’ thoughts. but now that’s happened and we have to accept it as a subject to talk and get along. anyway it’s much better than another Amnesia Emanual or half season dead or disappeared Cas for us. but it’s just a new *condition* and we can’t be sure that writers put any effort to write any *storyline* based on it)
2. How come that some people consider Purgotory more Cas’ storyline than Dean’s storyline?! and see? you yourself mention *11 minutes* to stress that Dean’s storyline wasn’t a real storyline, like ANY of those mini events happened for Cas that you mentioned were more than 10 minutes?! Let’s accept giving enough screen time to an event IS a very important factor for it to be considered as a storyline.
3. When people vote in several polls at the same time they tend to loose some of them. In the past few days fans have been voting for Jensen/Dean not only in several categories in this poll, but also in E! online Golden Remote Awards for Drama King too (Congrats for that win BTW).
4. I’m sure Jensen/Dean is the most popular in SPN fandom. but I see Misha Collins (and consequently Castiel) is doing very good in getting popular outside SPN fandom for some reasons. Misha’s presence in twitter and non-SPN conventions as well as his active fanbase in tumblr might be among the reasons that seemingly help more pple from outside our fandom know him and some of them begin to love him everyday. This portion of his fans may even never join SPN fandom (Specially with his almost zero screen time in the show), but they exist and their existence can effect the balance in polls like this sometimes. They may vote for Misha at any poll without even caring about SPN and yes, it’s a poll that everyone has the right to vote in, even if they’re not real fans.
Yay for Leverage and Fringe getting some recognition!! Two shows that shouldn’t have been forced to say goodbye so soon!
Also yay for Jensen and Stana getting the pre-emptive Emmy snub awards! True fans of both shows know how awesome they both are at portraying their characters! Jensen should’ve had several years worth of Emmy nominations by now!
@Ariel
I completely agree with you! The fact that Dean’s storylines have been largely emotional and not physical over Supernatural’s 8 seasons and yet he’s the most beloved character on the show proves how amazing Jensen is as an actor. He has the ability to touch the soul by portraying Dean as truly human with human emotions and human flaws. I’ve never really needed any more of an “action” storyline for Dean personally, because it’s always been about his humanity, his loyalty to his family and friends, and his love for Sam that makes him so amazing in my opinion.
I’ve calmed down from my initial reaction so I’m sorry for wagging my finger at all Castiel fans when many have supported Dean but I’m just so disappointed. I wanted to print off this poll along with comments from around the internet and send it to Carver because he insists fans are deluded to think they’re sidelining Dean from storylines and then Carina (zap2it) butted in to tell him it was just a small fraction of Dean fans so I was banking on this poll making him take notice of us as a group to reckon with but like others have said it’s seeming like a lost cause right about now, there’s not enough fans supporting Dean for it to make any difference. I want to keep watching but I really can’t face another season of the same.
@carley maybe, and i don’t mean this in a nasty way, you could’ve used a better site than this one to hang your hopes of carver & co hearing you out on
like I get that fans want tptb to get it that they aren’t happy with things but wouldn’t it have been more, idk, effective… to instead highlight fan discussions and meta on the issue rather than sending off a link to this poll on a site that most people had never heard of till now?
maybe reach out to the dean leaning writers in the entertainment sphere and see if they might want to open an opinion piece on their site? i know whatsherface wrote one on the “defense of sam” so why not see if you could get some topics up on big name fandom spaces like spoilertv, winchesterbros, tvovermind, or approach fans of the show who write reviews on big traffic sites like ing or huffpost if they might be interested in writing an open ended piece on the topic that would allow for fandom discussion in the comments.
spoilertv just had a fan oped series on speculations for each character, why not approach that author to write on this topic since they were VERY vocal about dean needing more story wise.
there are tons of conversations in the tumblr world about this, in depth posts that don’t just stop at voicing what they want but highlighting key points of interest left unexplored, topics of interest they’d to see broached, and layered discussion just overall on how dean’s lack of myth arc has a negative impact on the story overall. why not approach those posters to see if they might want to write a short piece to send to tptb. or create a discussion/meta tumblr and reblog those discussions and link that to tptb.
like I’m seriously not judging people for feeling upset that dean lost, but the reaction to him losing on what amounts to a random site seems a bit much.
Why aren’t more people bummed that AHS didn’t win the best musical scene? Kit Kit Bo bit, banana fana fo fit….
I’m very satisfied with the poll results overall, with spn winning so many categories. As a Cas(and destiel, and team free will) fan, I’m however surprised he won the “needs a storyline” category, since I pretty much expected Dean to win it. I didn’t vote anything in that category because I couldn’t choose, but I’m not exactly disappointed with the results. Hear me out before you raise the pitchforks.
In my opinion every character from Team Free Will had a storyline in season 8, and the only one I didn’t like that much was Sam’s, because he didn’t have as much of an emotional journey as Dean or Cas. I generally become more invested in emotional storylines over mytharc ones, and as such Dean’s storyline was, imho, one of the best in the entire run of supernatural. Cas also had(and seems like he has one in s9 too) a storyline, and it was a good quality one too, but it’s a shame it wasn’t shown more on-screen or paced better. Sam, though, had the mytharc storyline, but Dean as the pov character wasn’t utilised enough to let the viewers into Sam’s headspace, and as such it was harder to care about his story than either Dean’s or Cas’s.
The way I see it, the “problem” with TFW’s storylines isn’t that Dean lacks one or Cas lacks one or Sam lacks one, but that the way the stories are told is off balance. Dean needs more of a mytharc story(but I believe it was better that he didn’t have one in s8, since he FINALLY got the character development he’s been lacking since season 4 ending), Cas has a balanced story but it needs to be shown to the viewers, and Sam needs more of the emotional, character development aspect in his storylines.
It seems a lot of the drama in fandom is caused because of a disparity in what fans of different characters perceive to qualify as a “good storyline”. Sam fans complain that their favourite is ignored in the emotional side of the story or that his actions are only shown from the pov of other characters, Dean fans that theirs is sorely in need of a place in the mytharc, and Cas fans that their favourite isn’t enough on screen, period. None of these opinions are wrong and there is no need to put down other factions of the fandom because they might not agree with you. Both in fandom and in the show, it’s all about balance. Or that’s the picture I’ve gotten, anyway. :3
I saw very little character development for Dean where it concerns his relationship with Sam. With that brother dialogue in the finale, he basically submerged himself more than ever before, and is now more than ever before All About Sam, while Sam also remains All About Sam still and some more. If this is all that we have to look forward to for Dean in the last 2 seasons of this show, then lazy and pathetic are how I will continue to describe the writers and their writing of this show. And how sad that it will likely end in such utter mediocrity.
“The fact that Dean’s storylines have been largely emotional and not physical over Supernatural’s 8 seasons and yet he’s the most beloved character on the show proves how amazing Jensen is as an actor. He has the ability to touch the soul by portraying Dean as truly human with human emotions and human flaws. I’ve never really needed any more of an “action” storyline for Dean personally, because it’s always been about his humanity, his loyalty to his family and friends, and his love for Sam that makes him so amazing in my opinion.”
These are character traits, not a storyline. Fans are allowed to be ignorant of such things. Professional writers who are writing for a television show should not be. Dean and Jensen deserve what Sam has and what Cas has and what even Kevin the Prophet and Crowley have-A real storyline connected to the myth-arc that is All About Them in an essential to the action type of way, in addition to the emo connected with it. I cannot understand why the writers refuse to do this for Jensen, when they are happily doing it for every other character on the show-even part-time and recurring actors. After more than three seasons of this, I cannot find any other words for this than completely unprofessional. It is mindboggling to me and VERY! disrespectful of one of their LEAD actors, IMO.
@Cas fans. Well duh, of course we all know this poll will mean absolutely nothing. We’re not idiots. But it would have meant that among the sample audience that saw this poll, there was a real awareness that Dean is getting effed up the wazoo by the showrunners, writers, and fans in regards to a story that is more than only emoting over Sam & Cas’s stories, ad nauseum.
Until now I had thought that Castle fans were rabid. Live and learn.
Can’t believe Stana didn’t win best actress(drama), and she totally deserves at least an Emmy nomination. She is the BEST!
Yay! congrtas bones
I voted for Cas to get more of a character arc / development because I want to see him grow into his humanity onscreen. In Fringe, when September lost the thing that really was his “grace,” he slowly turned into Donald. & he became just as human as the rest of the characters & it was beautiful to see those results. But a lot of that development that would have been A+ was made offscreen & only hinted toward. Or it was so obvious that it was really hard to miss it, like Donald / September expressing his newfound love by accepting sacrifice.
I’d LOVE to see Cas grow into himself more & more & his relationships with others – especially Dean – developed further. I’d love for it just to take off & turn into something glorious. But dear lord are the Supernatural wars fierce in the shit. My fucking bad.
Sometimes I feel the problem with Dean’s “storylines” that some fans claim are there, ie the character development ones..the emotional ones, is that unless you spend hours on tumblr reading/writing meta while pouring over every second of every episode, freeze framing particular facial expressions and analyzing their meanings they’re not really obvious. Don’t get me wrong, I love to read between the lines to dig deeper into Supernatural, but there should still be enough on the surface to keep everyone happy – all types of fans..and I don’t think that’s the case with Dean’s. You shouldn’t have to go looking to see his storylines, they should be there for ALL to see, not just the full time die hard fans who like to comment on Dean’s choice of clothing, and call that character development. How do they know for sure? It might just be the wardrobe department having fun with colours.
It seems to me that lately a lot of fans approach Dean’s storylines like they do shipping, they search the subtext and claim it’s there..and I am not disputing their claims, and the meta is often enlightening and worth a read..but I just think it would be nice for Dean to have storylines that are TEXT..clear as day. Bonus if Carver actually talks about them too.
@Charlotte I understand what you mean by Dean’s storylines, the emotional ones, being often quite subtle, but I haven’t really delved into any Dean meta and yet for me his journey this season has been the most powerful one. It might be simply because of the contrast between seasons 7 and 8, but in s8 Dean has seemed so much more open and willing to solve his problems by talking rather than by drinking, at least to me, that it blew me away.
In addition to the season’s atmosphere being lighter than in the last few years, the change in Dean’s behavior has been the most apparent difference between the seasons(and also the way some side characters actually survived past the finale). If the show managed to give all of team free will a balanced storyline, instead of only Cas getting one, I would be even happier, though.
yeah! Caskett Caskett Caskett
@Michelle – Thank you so much for telling me how I should watch TV, feel about and show and react to the various idiocies in fandom. I don’t know how I managed to get through life without your condescension to illuminate the way.
By the way, your words would have meant even more to me if you had bothered to actually read my post instead of just lecturing since I clearly stated that I didn’t think this poll would matter to TPTB, but that it mattered to me because it showed me who my allies were in this fandom and clearly not the majority of Destiel fans. But since you know best about everything including strangers on the internet, I can see why you wouldn’t bother to actually read something someone else wrote before judging and lecturing.
Also thanks so much for proving my point with your token TFW suck-up sentence. I’m sure all those ESG Cas-haters will start loving him now.
Holy hell look at this comment section. Are these really Dean!girls posting or just trolls trying to make Dean!girls look like a bunch of whiny hateful brats?